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word Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar - NVIDIA 6800 Guide (24 comments )
by: indigo196 (249) | Posted in cluster Editors Challenge Sponsored by Intel Round 2
Subject: http://www.lotro.com/
Posted 19 months ago ( edited 19 months ago ) in category DEFAULT

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Lord of the Rings Video

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Performance Chart

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advanced settings performance chart

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LOTR Comparison

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LOTR ultra high

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LOTR - Very High

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LOTR Medium

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LOTR - High

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LOTR Low

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LOTR Very Low

Introduction:
It would be great to have the latest and greatest processor, video card, motherboard and ram. For most gamers this dream is unattainable. Reality is filled with compromises on new machines, occasional component upgrades and aging computers. In real life the question for new anticipated games is if these tired rigs can play the game.

The core component for gaming rigs are their video cards. My system which was built back in 2004 features a video card based on the NVIDIA 6800 chip. Even at the cards release it was not a top-of-the-line card. The card is viewed as an enthusiast-level card or in my case a card for a guy with kids and a wife.

This guide is intended to help people with older rigs, like me, run LOTR.

My System:
Intel P4 3Ghz
Intel D865GRH
EVGA NVIDA 6800 256mb (AGP)
2x 512mb Kingston HyperX DDR500 (PC 4000)
Seagate ST3160023AS SATA HD
Windows XP SP2
DX 9.0c
Viewsonic VX910 at 1280x1024

Video Driver Details
Forceware 93.71
Anisotropic filtering - application controlled
Antialiasing - application controlled (no setting in game)
Texture Filtering - Quality
Verticle sync - Use the 3D application setting (set to off in game)

Tools:
Fraps – unregistered

The Basic Settings and Results:
LOTR has six basic settings that you can choose from for video quality:

• Very Low – FPS: Min 36 Max 58 Avg 53.583
• Low – FPS: Min 36 Max 58 Avg 53.582
• Medium – FPS: Min 33 Max 57 Avg 46.383
• High – FPS: Min 21 Max 46 Avg 31.850
• Very High – FPS: Min 19 Max 35 Avg 24.533
• Ultra High – FPS: Min 5 Max 22 Avg 15.517

(I have uploaded a movie that compares these settings starting with ultra high and ends with very low. I will give extra credit for recognizing which real-wrold movie this pays homage too.)

Methodology:
These results were obtained by running ten 60 second benchmarks at each setting level and averaging the results. For each setting, I completed half of the benchmarks during the daytime cycle and the other half during the nighttime cycle. The benchmark was done in a grassy area and consisted of running down a hill, attacking three mobs in succession, running up the hill and performing a healing spell. The area contained a flowered area of the field and small pond of water. It would have been better to have the ability to run a time-recorded demo to avoid minor variations in the environment, but I am unaware of any MMO having such a utility.

Picking a Starting Point:
Since LOTR included some preconfigured basic settings choices, I decided to start with those to determine my starting point. If this was a first person shooter I would not have found any of these results as acceptable. For any games other than “twitch” games I strive to achieve an average FPS of around 40 while keeping my low at 30 or above. With the system I have that leaves high, very high and ultra high settings out. I did notice some significant hard drive thrashing with the three high settings so a 6800 based card that sports 512mb of video ram might be able to use the high setting. The setting that comes closest to my performance target was the medium setting. Lucky for me it was slightly over the target so I could tweak the individual advanced settings to achieve greater visual appeal.

The Advance Settings and Results:
Using the medium setting as a base, I could now try individual settings increases to improve visual appearance. I wanted to determine what the impact was for each advanced setting so I repeated the testing process for the basic settings by choosing the basic medium setting and then raising the specific advanced setting to its highest level. The advanced settings and results:

• Object Draw Distance – FPS: Min 13 Max 55 Avg 42.4
• Landscape Draw Distance – FPS: Min 21 Max 59 Avg 49.883
• Material Detail – FPS: Min 33 Max 59 Avg 49.883
• Surface Reflections – FPS: Min 33 Max 59 Avg 49.050
• Frill Distance – FPS: Min 32 Max 59 Avg 48.433
• Model Detail – FPS: Min 30 Max 59 Avg 47.850
• Animation Smoothness – FPS: Min 21 Max 58 Avg 45.367
• Atmospheric Detail – FPS: Min 23 Max 59 Avg 47.067
• Texture Detail – FPS: Min 37 Max 59 Avg 50.800 (note: was already at max)
• Anisotropic Filtering – FPS: Min 27 Max 41 Avg 32.700
• Landscape Lighting Quality – FPS: Min 30 Max 59 Avg 46.283
• Stencil Shadows – FPS: Min 37 Max 59 Avg 54.183
• Post Processing Effects – FPS: Min 18 Max 33 Avg 25.683

(note: I was surprised to find that some of the results here yielded higher results than the base medium settings – I redid my base medium settings to ensure they were accurate)

From these results I could eliminate using the highest settings for object draw distance, landscape draw distance, animation smoothness, atmospheric detail, anisotropic filtering and post processing effects. I would be able to attempt to combine any of the others if I desired. The next step was to run tests with all of the remaining settings raised to their highest levels.

» FPS: Min 19 Max 36 Avg 27.18

As expected, the results were not acceptable so I would have to choose which items were the most important to me. I really wanted to have nice surface reflections and material details so I chose those. I also changed Stencil Shadows because it had very little effect in the individual tests.

» FPS: Min 31 Max 56 Avg 46.000

Success!!! My choices might vary from those of others and different combinations of selections might yield different results.

Summary
Despite the age of the NVIDIA 6800 video card, my gaming rig is capable of playing LOTR and I get to enjoy a fair amount of graphic goodness. The testing was done in the early part of the game so be warned that if the later stages change the volume of creatures or special effects in the game world it might be necessary to lower the settings.

If you look over the results from the advanced settings you will notice a couple of items that really caused the 6800 problems. Sadly, some of these settings really impact the visual experience. The object draw distance, terrain draw distance, animation smoothness and post processing effects all make immense improvements when elevated to their highest settings. If you plan on spending alot of time playing LOTR and have a system similar to mine I would recommend buying a new system or upgrading to an AGP card based on the ATI X1950 Pro chipset.

Enjoy the game!!!

(note: higher quality .WMV video linked below)

External Link: http://media.firingsquad.com/editorchallenge/lotrm...

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Click to view ithinkcowsaresexy's User Page ithinkcowsaresexy (7)  Talk to ithinkcowsaresexy in the Shout! Box Apr 10, 2007 - 03:33 pm | Edited on Apr 10, 2007 - 03:29 pm
Until only a month ago my brother used a 6800 AGP in his computer. It was a mighty fine chip for its age, played his games just fine (with the settings a little low). The thing was even better back in early 05 when I got it. Oh to be able to tell your friends you had a 6800 and they didn't. As for LoTRO, that game sucks. I played the open beta and couldn't make myself like it no matter how hard I tried. Good article sir, good article.

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Click to view BellBoy's User Page BellBoy (19)  Talk to BellBoy in the Shout! Box Mar 17, 2007 - 03:14 am
Good effort, quite solid. Enjoyed the read, appreciated the research.

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Click to view suibhne's User Page suibhne (65)  My XFire username is: suibhne Click to view suibhne's User Profile Talk to suibhne in the Shout! Box Mar 16, 2007 - 12:18 pm
Fyi, "enthusiast" usually refers to the high-level stuff. The 8800GTX is an enthusiast-level videocard, for example, and expensive high-speed DDR2 for overclocking is the enthusiast stuff. Your card was enthusiast-level at one time, but not in recent memory. ;)

This is a clear introductory tweak guide, but I missed the level of detail included in most tweak guides. You listed many options for testing, but you didn't provide a description of what they actually accomplished within the game. "Material detail" or "Atmospheric detail", for example, are not immediately obvious. Even something as universal as "Draw distance" may have somewhat different effects in this game than in others, and that would be helpful to point out.

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Click to view indigo196's User Page indigo196 (249)  Click to view indigo196's User Profile Talk to indigo196 in the Shout! Box Mar 16, 2007 - 12:29 pm | Edited on Mar 16, 2007 - 12:34 pm
I disagree that a top-of-the-line card would be considered enthusiast -- that it top-of-the-line or hardcore stuff.

My reference to the 6800 card as an enthusiast card is supported by at least one article on this very site. I also very clearly stated that my card was not top-of-the-line when released. So I am not sure what you quipped about it being so at one time but not in recent memory. The article is dedicated to people, like me, stuck using older hardware.

You are correct that I should have given more information on what each option did. If I make it to the next round I will be able to make use of that advice.

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Click to view suibhne's User Page suibhne (65)  My XFire username is: suibhne Talk to suibhne in the Shout! Box Mar 16, 2007 - 12:39 pm | Edited on Mar 16, 2007 - 12:41 pm
It wasn't meant to be a major criticism - I just wanted to clarify its generally-accepted meaning. Just to be certain I wasn't dreaming, I checked around at four prominent sites (Anandtech, HardOCP, Sharky, and Gamespot), and all three employ "enthusiast" in the sense that I mentioned.

It's often used to connote high-end hardware with lots of flexibility for "tinkerers" - self-builders, overclockers, and the like.

Doesn't detract from your piece at all.

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Click to view GrapeApe's User Page GrapeApe (36)  Click to view GrapeApe's User Profile Talk to GrapeApe in the Shout! Box Mar 18, 2007 - 11:45 pm
Not that it matters, but the breakdown of the market is

Low-End/Value

Performance/Mainstream

HighEnd/Enthusiast.

The GF6800 as a performance mainstream is an ok card.

As for the article, the only thing I have an issue with is the conclusion, only because while I know the X1950P would provide more Ooompg, there's not much to support the upgrade conclusion in the bodyof the article. Overall though good indepth look at the topic.

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Click to view indigo196's User Page indigo196 (249)  Click to view indigo196's User Profile Talk to indigo196 in the Shout! Box Mar 16, 2007 - 12:43 pm
Thanks; I am glad you don't feel it detracted from the content. I guess different folks have different descriptions for the cards. The article I used to determine how to label the card is: http://firingsquad.com/hardware/geforce_6800_performance_and_overclocking/

From this site.

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Click to view Arturo02's User Page Arturo02 (5)  Talk to Arturo02 in the Shout! Box Mar 13, 2007 - 11:29 am
good article! A suggestion from me would be combining some of the short sentences early on in the article. Other then that another piece of good writing my friend :)

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Click to view Johnny The Bravo Maestro's User Page Johnny The Bravo Maestro (3)  Talk to Johnny The Bravo Maestro in the Shout! Box Mar 13, 2007 - 04:31 am
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Thoroughly good reveiw. Well written and referenced. Nice work.

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