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| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22272 |  SteelDog (144) Nov 04, 2009 - 11:44 pm » Edited on Nov 04, 2009 - 11:46 pm
| Again your post doesn't make much sense. You keep harping on Nintendo being a winner. However, if you look at sales, MS is hardly disappointed. In fact, 3rd party developers will tell you that from their perspective the 360 is a much bigger success for them. MS XBOX Live Market place has been a cash cow for MS as well.
Also what is this "potential" you are talking about? If your speaking in terms of 3rd party titles, there practically is none on the Wii. Again, look at 3rd party title numbers. It's clearly more profitable for 3rd party developers to produce on one of the other consoles. I think what your seeing is that the lack of quality of software available for the Wii is now impacting sales. Sooner or later you have to have the software to support your console or it will catch up to you.
Again, the only people that care about who sells the most is fanboys and market executives. You either make a profit or you don't.
P.S. Just because Wii does well doesn't mean it is "setup" for the next generation. If anything Nintendo and Sony both have proved first hand that one generation has no influence on the next generation. You can go from first to worst in a single generation. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22272 | SteelDog (144) Nov 03, 2009 - 03:30 pm
| Sort of disagree with you there. I think Sony and MS will extend out this generation of console for some time. One way to do that is release Natal which if enough support is thrown it's way could extend the life cycle of the 360. Same for the PS3 "wand".
If they release these then come out with a new console a year later then I agree it's pointless. However, I don't think that is the case. They will use these to extend the life cycle of the machines by 2 years or more which means it makes perfect sense to me.
P.S. Things have not been that silent. MS has had ads for entire development teams on Natal and with Rare's Kameo game being canceled to concentrate on Natal...it sounds like full steam ahead to me. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22272 | SteelDog (144) Nov 03, 2009 - 11:38 am » Edited on Nov 03, 2009 - 11:40 am
| » Yes Let's be Frank
This isn't a contest to see who comes in 1st, 2nd or 3rd. That is simply for fan boy bragging rights and marketing for console companies. If your company makes money off of a console regardless of what place it's in....said company wins.
What this is really about at the end of the day is the gamers. If your console is collecting dust because there is no 3rd party games worth having between Nintendo releases that doesn't say "win". It doesn't say win from a consumer perspective or a from the developer perspective when their 3rd party titles suck and don't sell.
Nintendo is making a killing off the Wii. 3rd party developers can't make that same claim. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22272 | SteelDog (144) Nov 02, 2009 - 05:53 pm » Edited on Nov 02, 2009 - 05:59 pm
| » Wii Third Party Titles Suck
It really is that simple. The 3rd party publishers don't get the Wii. Most third party games that come out end up being a "waggle fest". Even the ports trade precise control for "waggle mania". They are simply horrible. I have read articles indicating that Nintendo hasn't exactly been great at sharing how to get the most out of the Wii to other developers.
Our Wii sits there collecting dust between Nintendo titles and we now have stopped buying Wii games altogether. We have been renting titles instead. Thank goodness for that because I would have been royally P.O. had I purchased half the crap we have rented. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22228 | SteelDog (144) Oct 19, 2009 - 10:32 pm
| | Wow...who are they not screwing here? It's bad enough most of these companies have not taken a queue from Bungie and made this game System Link friendly for console users. Now they are screwing with the PC Community that made this game what it is??? What the hell are they thinking? Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22154 | SteelDog (144) Sep 21, 2009 - 09:44 am
| Huh? If you can sell to 50% of any user base regardless of platform...I would call that a "good idea". If you can sell more units on the console then PC, I would call that a "good idea". Maybe not from a gamer standpoint from certainly from a developer standpoint. With development costs skyrocketing and game sales falling flat for certain platforms they have to do what they have to do.
Besides, even though I hate sports games on the PC for instance and still think that FPS are inferior but still good on the console, I think an MMO would work fine on a console. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22141 | SteelDog (144) Sep 16, 2009 - 05:28 pm » Edited on Sep 16, 2009 - 05:29 pm
| » Huh?
720P? XBOX has 1080P. Do you mean the native resolution of the game? Also, The XBOX doesn't rely on it's 5400 RPM Hard drive like a PC does for games. Less loading from the HD. HD speed really not an issue.
At any rate, if you have a great gaming PC, I agree FPS are better on the PC. If you have an older rig though..it's a no brainer to get it on the XBOX 360. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=21998 | SteelDog (144) Aug 07, 2009 - 05:19 pm » Edited on Aug 07, 2009 - 05:20 pm
| » Agree
Used game business when it first came out had reasonably priced game prices. Now used game prices are out of control. I have seen some games as little as $5.00 dollars cheaper for a used game. That is ridiculous. Especially, when they mark up the game 3 times higher then the trade in value the gave the person trading it in.
I hope this forces used game stores to discount deeper. Best Buy and Walmart can only go so low but if this is done nationwide should force used retailers to offer a more reasonable price or there is no incentive to buy used. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=21892 | SteelDog (144) Jul 20, 2009 - 01:14 pm » Edited on Jul 20, 2009 - 01:16 pm
| » Rotten Apple?
Sounds hilarious considering the I'm a MAC, Im' a PC commercials. Those commercials make all these claims about how PC don't have this or that. However, there are some PC manufacturers that include the same features that those commercials claim PC's don't have.
It is a very fuzzy line and if Apple is not careful, it is going to find itself in a counter suit by PC manufactures with Microsoft leading the way. What a bunch of hypocrites. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=21766 | SteelDog (144) Jun 16, 2009 - 05:01 pm » Edited on Jun 16, 2009 - 05:04 pm
| » Steroscopic 3D Displays???
MS is stupid if they are waiting for that. 3D-Ready TV's are starting to come out now (Samsung, Mits). That is the next 3D technology that will be readily available in the home. Those TV's will work with either hardware that turns regular sources into 3D or with Blu-Ray player for instance, using the HDMI 1.4 Spec, so that movies can be released using the same Polorized technology in the theater. That will become the standard long before Tv manufacturers start doing all the "processing" in the TV's (especially with no standards). Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=21714 | SteelDog (144) Jun 03, 2009 - 10:03 pm » Edited on Jun 03, 2009 - 10:03 pm
| » Natal Could be Huge
I think it could be huge. It depends on if it lives up to the hype. This is not the pathetic eye toy. Depends on what they actually do with it. We have seen so many of these type things come and go.
I have to agree thought it would have been cool if MS had included a "wand" like control like Sony to integrate. Having said that I bet it could be added. If the thing comes with tracking....I bet it can be done. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=21716 | SteelDog (144) Jun 03, 2009 - 09:59 pm
| I watched the Sony press conference first and thought the wand was stupid looking but was pretty cool....that is until I saw what Natal can do.
If Natal lives up to the hype...man that is going to be way cool tech. There is room for both approaches though. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=21137 | SteelDog (144) Jan 04, 2009 - 09:54 pm
| | 60.00 is too much. I generally will comb sales and wait until the game drops $10 if I can. I know I am more picky then the last generation with what I pay full price for. I easily had double the game library then I do this generation primarily because of game prices now. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=21055 | SteelDog (144) Dec 03, 2008 - 10:03 am » Edited on Dec 03, 2008 - 10:15 am
| There are now 3 BD Players that now pass standard video tests that neither the PS3 nor any other players before it have. One is made by Sony and the other two by Panasonic. A couple of those players are around the $250 price point. Better performance for less, BD 2.0, and with fully upgradeable firmware to boot.
I shopped on black friday all day and 3 of the stores that I had gone to had signs about sold out XBOX 360's. So, this doesn't surprise me. The question really is can the 360 keep up the momentum? Sony could quash all this will a good price cut. I just don't see it happening. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=20926 | SteelDog (144) Oct 15, 2008 - 08:58 am
| | Well...almost. The 360 has a better memory architecture and better GPU. That's why the older 360 stands up so well to the PS3. I would hardly call the PS3 hardware superior unless you count the blu ray player and CPU your only criteria. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=20893 | SteelDog (144) Oct 03, 2008 - 07:47 am
| I think you might see Sony go the way of the Wii. Just re-use the Cell processor by adding cores or using multiple cell processors in the next PS. Update your GPU, add a better memory configuration and conentrate on the "experience" a la Nintendo but with grown up games.
Sony's PS3 losses continue to mount and it doesn't appear they are going to catch Nintendo or MS. This is a no brainer. Lower your production costs for your next system and take advantage of your cell processor. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=20838 | SteelDog (144) Sep 11, 2008 - 02:52 pm
| | That makes so much sense now. You know come to think of it, the last console to get below $200 dollars "because it was on the way out", that just so happened to have the largest game library, completely died as a result. Oh wait no it didn't. That was the PS2. My bad. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=20820 | SteelDog (144) Sep 06, 2008 - 09:17 am » Edited on Sep 08, 2008 - 09:26 pm
| Lol at your lol. Yes, and the 360 is still outselling the competition in software sales YTD according to NPD. What is your excuse?
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TO: Anonymous (-) Sep 06, 2008 - 11:08 am
Are you that big a tool? NPD posts monthly data. You can either add up each month sales YTD or if that is to hard there are a few sites that track and posts YTD. Use Google next time.
Wii YTD 40,708,051 Life time 86,341,488
360 YTD 39,395,559 Life time 117,012,781
PS3 YTD 20,332,989 Life time 38,179,491
Also, the NPD numbers don't include the $180 million in software sales from XBOX live in the last 12 months.
Again, what is your exuse? Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=20820 | SteelDog (144) Sep 05, 2008 - 12:01 pm
| Do you people even look at Sales data before you post? The Xbox 360 is may not be pushing the most hardware units but is sure is hell is selling the most software. The 360 is hardly on the way out.
Let's see if this price cut does anything to boost console sales. No matter what though, it won't over take the Wii Console hardware sales. If MS just manages to create a surge this quarter and further expand their base...mission accomplished.
I think they are trying to even out the recent surge in PS3 hardware sales more then worrying about the Wii. If they take a chunk out of Wii console sales it's a bonus. Let's see if Sony sticks to their guns with "no price cuts this year" if this causes a huge surge in 360 sales. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=20730 | SteelDog (144) Aug 15, 2008 - 11:24 am » Edited on Aug 15, 2008 - 03:53 pm
| "However, 45% seems pretty low"
How is 45% market share "low"? On what planet is that exactly? That's extremely high for console share.
"Yet you're going to tell me that the 360 is selling more s/w???? Honestly."
Yes I am saying that the 360 has sold more software. Those are not my numbers. They are the NPD for all of 2007 and so far in 2008. It's fact whether or not you believe it or not. Here is another fact. The NPD numbers don't include the $180 million in software sales from XBOX live in the last 12 months. Are you trying to say those numbers are not a significant factor in the console wars? If so, I want to attend your economics class.
"As far as 3rd party developers, I think it depends on which one you talk to. You're making the mistake of painting them all with one broad brush."
There are always exceptions. I didn't cmment on a per developer basis. However, the overall picture is clear based on the facts. According to the NPD 360 is accounting for 46% of 3rd party development profit. Nobody else is close.
By the way this about who is winning this generation. Not about who is winning the race in hardware sales. When you look at the overall success of any generation of consoles it's not about just hardware sales. Trying telling that to Sony or MS who depend on software sales to determine the overall profitability of their gaming divisions to make up for hardware losses.
"Console wars have been and forever will be decided by who sells more hardware. Period. THE END."
Wrong. Console wars will forever be decided by who is the most profitable at the end of the day. Hardware sales is nothing more then bragging rights without software sales. They go hand in hand. You can't determine the success of a console without looking at both. If you do, then you bought into the marketing hype spewed from Nintendo, MS and Sony.
PS, I don't just own the 360 and have no vested interest in one of the consoles gong belly up. That would be a waste of my investment. You can't even call me a console fan boy because I love PC gaming as well. So I guess I am just a gaming fan boy. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=20728 | SteelDog (144) Aug 05, 2008 - 10:38 am
| I agree. He is not saying the Xbox 360 has to look worse. In fact, he says just the opposite about the 360 GPU and memory configuration being better on the 360.
This is about him using leverage to get MS to drop the licensing fees for using multiple discs. This comes off more as if you don't eliminate this fee, I will make an inferior game for your system. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=20734 | SteelDog (144) Aug 05, 2008 - 10:31 am
| That's fine. I don't want my avatar to be in game for all my games anyway. As long as my avatars are available for use on my dashboard, I am cool with that.
Though I admit, taking a chainsaw in a game to someones else's avatar could be fun. :-) Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=20730 | SteelDog (144) Aug 05, 2008 - 10:17 am » Edited on Aug 05, 2008 - 10:24 am
| To the anonymous poster. Ofcouse hardware sales are important. It gets the consoles in the hands of the consumer. However, you just ignored my point. The sell through rate for software for the Wii is horrid for 3rd party titles. Nintendo is the only one making money from a hardware and software perspective. Nintendo cares more about pushing the hardware then the success of the software sales of 3rd party developers. If you want every hit Wii game to include Mario great. If not it stinks especially for 3rd party developers.
According to NPD for 2007. XBOX 360 made up 45% of total software sales for the "next Gen" consoles. 11 of it's titles were in the top 20 for the year. According to NPD (as of June 2008), the 360 still has a higher software attach rate then any other console. According to NPD multi-platform titles sell better on the 360 then any other console.
So explain to me exactly that says Nintendo is winning? Yes they have sold more hardware units but if nobody is buying the software how is that going to bode for the long term outlook for 3rd party development? I don't see droves of 3rd party exclusives coming to the Wii.
The success of a console is much more than hardware unit sold. Software is a big part of that. If you want to ignore the facts then who is deluded exactly?
PS. I own both the Wii and Xbox 360. I find games much more hit and miss with the the Wii because most of the games outside of Nintendo can't get the control schemes down wich makes the games crappy compared to the versions on the 360 or PS3. So like many others we tend to purchase more of the Nintendo titles on the Wii and buy everything else on the 360. Flag this | Edit this post |
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