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| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22316 |  Terrak (585) Nov 17, 2009 - 04:31 pm
| I dont think i will go to the bargin bin with this game either, i will buy Bad Company for PC, been waiting for a sequel to BF2
Yup FSGeek, downloading is slow but its fine because im playing Borderland now which i *BOUGHT*. Ive got 2 files downloading incase one doesnt work
Labotimizer you dont even want to try the single player? thats the only thing i will play i dont play online.
Synchronous Failure just put it on the queue it will take weeks to download so its ready when youve finished your other games Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22309 | Terrak (585) Nov 15, 2009 - 06:05 pm » Edited on Nov 15, 2009 - 06:06 pm
| Actually im sure there are some out there that would believe that was all they needed to get Wii like sales (ie price drop). I always said that price was a factor but not the ONLY factor. Game exclusives though important are also never going to influence the outcome as i have said and previous market trends have shown. The Wii is the 'IN THING' (like the Ipod and iphone) and i dont think there was anything outside of bringing out there own motion control that would change that.
Your right Labotomizer this continued success means that Nintendo dont have to do much with the Wii which is a shame. I will be getting a few Wii games (the new super mario and a few others) but other then that not much to be happy about. Anyway Borderlands PC is a really fun game so i'll be playing that for the next few weeks. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22309 | Terrak (585) Nov 13, 2009 - 06:46 pm
| 360 really looks like losing momentum hopefully the Launch of Natal (with a better name IMO) can revitalise sales. I dont think there are many options for MS. it seems that 2nd place is slipping from there grasp.
ps3 after a large price drop and one of there Top games still cant beat the Wii. Thats disappointing 4 billion in the Red dont help matters either. No news about there Motion controller?
The Wii still has room to manuever, had it dropped to US$150 would have not made too much difference so they were smart, they know that demand is still there for the Wii. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22309 | Terrak (585) Nov 13, 2009 - 03:31 pm
| Hmmm
even with the Price drop and one of there best games the ps3 cant take first place hardware wise?
The Christmas surge for Wiis is unbelievable
If there was anyone here that still believed that the ps3 could regain first place with the price drop and release of AAA exclusives i think you can put those hopes to bed right now Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22272 | Terrak (585) Nov 06, 2009 - 06:44 pm
| You sure your arguing with me because you didnt make a valid point against any of my arguements.
Your second paragraph is a Mute point, no one here is arguing that the Wii has good third party support in fact its agreed its practically rubbish so bringing it up is useless
Motion control a gimmick? Are you thick? Both sony and microsoft are going to release there own versions if it were a gimmick i dont think those companies would consider pouring millions of dollars into developing there own if they didnt see it as a viable platform. Its pretty much soon going to be a standard along side standard console controllers so get used to it.
You think im wrong? well what do you base that on? Again you seem to state your opinion without looking at any facts to back you up
Was i incorrect when it was Microsoft stated recently that the 360 had not reached half way in its life? SOunds like a long term confirmation
Was i wrong when i Microsoft stated that they will treat Natal as a new launch?
Was i wrong that the 360 has only recently been profitable (which means for under 3 years its been losing money for MS)?
If you consider these facts at hand how can you then turn around and tell me that they will come out with a new xbox in 2 years? You mean in the next 2 years they will not only make up for the losses incurred for the first few years of the 360s life plus earn enough to pay for the development and marketing of the next 360? I dont think so. Consider the fact that they have pretty much exhausted all there avenues in terms of price drops and now on a weekly basis are in third place (after ps3 price drop) They havent even come close to paying of the billions of dollars in debt that the original xbox racked up
Sure they could throw more money at a new xbox project but thats 3 times in a row its come out of MS pockets, not exactly great business sense.
On the other had Nintendo have always released a new console every 5-6 years and have made pure profit and are the number 1 console. With HD TV being more mainstream its a given it will have HD capabilities so i expect a new Wii in 2-3 years as it MAKES SENSE
I wont even talk about sony they have a long way to go to Address the 4billion + debt on ps3
so in terms of whos in the best situation Nintendo is and into the next generation? Well its not hard to fathom that the NEXT Wii can feed off the success of its predecessor now can it?
If Nintendo does release a new Wii who will challenge it with all tho points i made?
The Wiimote was a market success which is what Nintendo wanted, it put them in first place and as such made third parties notice that they are still a force to be reckoned with even against the likes of sony and microsoft, being first place puts them in a good position into the next generation. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22272 | Terrak (585) Nov 05, 2009 - 02:59 pm
| As for determining who is the Winner, its quite simple to determine that factoring out fanboyism and bias. Units sold
Think of each unit sold as a vote, the more units the more votes. Wii sold more equals more votes equals winner simple
Even Software units sold Wii sold the most
If you believe that by having the best thirdparty support makes the 360 the best then by all means you can believe that but that is hardly grounds for the definition of the Winner.
If you look at Units sold Wii is the Winner
If you look at software sold Wii is the Winner
If you look at if from a business standpoint Wii is the Winner
If you look at it from third party support Wii is the LOSER
From these facts its easy to conclude that the Wii is the Winner this gen, sure it loses in One aspect but the others its definately #1
If your happy with your console this fact shouldnt matter, how ever these are the cold hard facts. You cant manipulate the facts to make your console of choice the 'Winner'. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22272 | Terrak (585) Nov 05, 2009 - 02:36 am
| I think your being short sighted about the situation. Its not simply about the situation now it also to do with the future of Nintendo and there products.
When have i said that Wii has had strong third party support? In fact ive complained how WEAK it is so explaining something i already know and admit to is ridiculous. Maybe reread my comments if you wish to argue.
Again if you realised the strategy Nintendo was using with the Wii its genius, its not fan boy talk its a fact. Turning last place position into a comfortable first place this gen is quite a turn around.
I have posted many time explaining why Nintendo has been treated poorly by thirdparties, namely no HD and the how 'poorly' the GC did (you know last place) as well as focusing on Motion Control which at the time has not proven itself as mass marketable. If you look at these fundamental reasons (and a few more) its easy to see why the Wii has such Weak support from Thirdparties.
You talk about how 360 sells alot of thirdparty titles and when did i disagree with that fact? Its easy to sell lots of software when developers put all there effort into making quality software. This happens regardless of platform. Great games that are well marketed sell well, why are we assuming that only the 360 can sell millions of copies. Thats rubbish, the only thing that stopped the Wii getting those exclusive titles was HD, and this is my point of the Wiis potential. Because it was such a success the next Wii can feed off that success, coupled with HD graphics the next Wii which should arrive in the next 2 or so years with improved Wiimote controls will reach its full potential.
The Wii was a test to see if the Market would accept Motion controls. Its obvious it has, and now even sony and MS are including it also, to me that looks like universal support for Motion control.
As for your last statement that is true to a degree however it all depends on the situation too, and cant be blindly applied to every situation, the ps3 could have fed of the success of the ps2 except that the Wiis focus on family friendly motion control based system took the lime light and the rest is history, unless sony has an ace up its sleeves next gen which i have discussed is highly unlikely considering its talking 10 year life cycles and racked up over 4 billion in debt.
There is no doubt that the 360 is finally profitable however it has a long way to go if it is to recoup the losses of its own R&D and marketing let alone making enough money to pay for the next xbox. There has been no denying that the 360 is profitable for developers, otherwise they wont bother to develop for it but i ask if they had developed those games for the Wii im sure it is possible that they could profit too. The ps2 showed it was possible to be Casual friendly and also have the AAA titles, so if the Wii had HD graphics its not hard to assume that the Wii could do the same. Hence the potential of the NEXT Wii. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22272 | Terrak (585) Nov 04, 2009 - 04:55 pm
| Yoshi Wins? So what are you going to give him?
stop changing the rules as with all previous generations Most Hardware sold = Winner of the Generation. I hate when people decide the change the rules to benefit the console of there choosing.
Anyway all the best ThirdParty titles went to the 360 and the ps3 and the Wii got waggle tack on garbage. So how can it be a fair comparison? Great titles well promoted sell well. Simple as that. DOesnt matter the platform. Motion control is still in its infancy, it has a long way to go but it had to start somewhere.
Your facts also prove the point that the Wii sells the most software period. There is potential for sales there, however the third party support (currently) is not.
If the Wii had HD graphics from the get go it would have been this gens ps2, but as we know its not the case
I think all those 360 and ps3 fans can simply look forward to next gen to see if there company of choice wins because this gen is pretty much over. My prediction is within 2 years the Next gen begins, Nintendo definately has incentive to move on, the Wii sales are slowing down drastically (but not significantly below that of either HD consoles) and its been that way for them every Gen to replace there consoles every 5 or 6 years.
If you read my previous post, you will realise that the real Winner is Nintendo, they have come from last place in previous gens to completely leave both competing consoles in there wake, and positioned themselves well into the next generation. Now that Nintendo has put themselves in first place Thirdparties are more then likely to offer there support next time around.
BTW your statistics also dont show that the Wiis software sales are that bad, average if 2 million sold each on a platform that is much cheaper to develop on? thats not bad all things considered. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22272 | Terrak (585) Nov 03, 2009 - 05:05 pm » Edited on Nov 03, 2009 - 05:08 pm
| IF the Wii had all the third party titles exclusive to 360 and ps3 then it definately would have been the next ps2, but because of its non HD console it didnt get these exclusives.
Sure its a massive loss for Nintendo, but if that what it took so that Nintendo put itself back on the map so to speak then i think it was a good strategy. Next time round the Wii more then likely wont be treated so poorly, especially if it has HD graphics. Under the circumstances and against the big companies of Sony and Microsoft i dont think there was any other alternative Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22272 | Terrak (585) Nov 03, 2009 - 04:31 pm » Edited on Nov 03, 2009 - 04:38 pm
| Easy
its been 5 years since ps3 released before the next Wii (which is likely to happen) is released 5 years is a $#!t long time in terms of Technology. In less then a year PCs surpassed the ps3 capabilities graphically (and other ways too) so in a few more years technology would have advanced even more.
There is no way a ps3 or a 360 can do 1080p with 16xAA plus extras. Its never going to happen. Even those games you mention look great they simply dont match the visual quality of what a high end PC can do.
By the time of the next Wii's released technology should have advanced far enough for Nintendo to include full HD support (not the promise of full HD and then reverting to 720 for most titles like both the ps3 and 360 do now) and have a console that is affordable.
Nintendo's gamble of focusing on motion control payed off
There is high penetration of HDTVs so it makes sense to include HD capabilities in the next Wii
Plus the Wiis success means the next Wii can feed of the success of its predecessor.
As for the release of the next 360 or ps4 how early you think they can be released? I mean when the ps2 was released did you hear sony talking about 10 year life cycles? i dont think so. Only this time round they talk as if its a given any console can last that long. Microsoft is no different, they said that the 360 is not even half way and that they will treat the natal as new console release, all this sounds like is they are trying to prepare there customers for the long term. Do you hear Nintendo talking like this? no way
reason is plain and simple - Money
Sony lost heaps - more then 4 billion on ps3
Microsoft is barely breaking even on the 360 (not to mention they lost billions of the first xbox)
Nintendo made profit from day one with the Wii
now if you look at all the facts tell me which companies is in a position to release a new console.
As for your last point you are right, but im hoping that the 5 years since the Wiis released technology has advanced far enough so that its cheap enough to include hard ware capable of FULL HD again its an Opinion as there is no information as of yet.
Nintendo is not going anywhere.It still has options to reinvigorate the Wii should things start to slide, and considering it took almost 3 years for them to make a measly $50 drop i think they are pretty comfortable in the position they are in.
As for price drops i hope people can stop talking about them like its so easy for a company to do, its not as i said sony lost 4 billion already for the ps3 and the price drop has only gave the ps3 a puny weekly sales lead over the Wii. As for 360 its already as cheap as the Wii...
What i am doing is looking at the facts and giving my impression of these facts. Sure its comes of as fanboyism but hey this is what can be concluded from the information at hand. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22272 | Terrak (585) Nov 03, 2009 - 04:12 pm
| I look at the Wii this way
After Nintendo 'failed' twice with the N64 and then the Gamecube i didnt think many developers thought it would survive a third. I pretty much believe developers wrote Nintendo off, and when they introduced a non HD console that focused on motion control i think that many didnt see any potential in Nintendo whatso ever.
Well Nintendo saw the potential and the market loved it and the rest is history in the meantime the third party developers had there money on the HD consoles and didnt think the Wiis success would last so long
Now its too late, as im sure not many have really delved into proper application of Motion control and i admit the Wii mote is far from accurate, but its a stepping stone a mere introduction to the possibilities of motion control, which is why im more excited for the next Wii, which IMO will have FULL HD and much improved motion control and by the time its released im sure that developers will not treat Nintendo like a last place console.
Nintendo has proved that profitability is there, customers are interested in motion control its up to the third party developers to use the new medium beyond button replacement waggling and start using in more meaningful ways in gaming, With both sony and microsoft including motion control of there own simply shows developers that they must embrace motion control rather then use it as a gimmick
So i agree its been underwhelming being a Wii owner but i had some great gaming experiences for me was worth the price and there are still some more to look forward too but i am more excited as to the possibilities the next Wii will bring, with the support of developers that have now seen the success motion control has been thanks to Nintendo Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22264 | Terrak (585) Nov 03, 2009 - 03:02 am
| still waiting for them to put a smash bros on the system until that happens i pass on the DS
BTW Labotimizer i did that, i bought 2 4890s only to hear the 5870s would arrive a few months later. Anyway i got two 4890s for around the same price as one 5870 so its no big deal and they perform better then a single 5870. However i dont get dx11 so yeah its sucks. bad timing i guess. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22272 | Terrak (585) Nov 03, 2009 - 02:57 am
| look at it this way what sells the Wii?
Simple - Motion controls
it sure aint the exclusive library nor could it be its graphics and feature wise its sparse compared to the others and even the price its no longer the cheapest.
Despite this list the Wii continues to outsell (well not since the ps3 price drop) both hd consoles
To think that both sony or microsoft cant see the potential for profits in motion control is ludicrous. Im sure they have invested large amounts of money in trying to make there version of motion control the 'best'.
Im sure if the Wii failed they wouldnt even have looked at motion controls.
Like i said the biggest threat to the HD consoles is the next Wii should it arrive in the next 2 years. The Wii simply put Nintendo back on the map. Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22272 | Terrak (585) Nov 02, 2009 - 09:23 pm
| SOny was the big surprise for me this Gen. They thought that they would kill '2 birds with one stone' (so to speak) by including the Cell processor and Blu Ray under the hood of a Playstation console but ended up almost killing themselves. 4 billion in debt after the success of ps2 and ps1 that i could not have predicted.
Sony has put out some great games for the ps3 but its hard to deny that they lost big time this gen.
the 360 is definately in better shape but having released first and only a relatively small lead over the ps3 is not much to gloat about either. Its done much better for MS then the xbox ever did but im sure they feel its performed below expectations. I mean the original xbox lost billions, and the 360 more then likely pay for itself (the cost of development and marketing) leaving nothing in the bank to spend on the next xbox (sure they can throw more money but thats 3 consoles in a row they had to pay out of there own pocket.
neither company are in a good position Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22272 | Terrak (585) Nov 02, 2009 - 09:00 pm
| Hate to agree but its true. Was hoping that after 3 years third party developers would start putting some great games on the Wii and though there has been a few its been few and far between.
Atleast Iwata has the balls to admit whats happening instead of wrapping the truth and a ball of PR bull@#!t
Nice he sees whats happening but lets hope he does something about it ive given up on third party support every being serious for the Wii Flag this | Edit this post |
| News Link » /news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=22272 | Terrak (585) Nov 02, 2009 - 08:56 pm » Edited on Nov 03, 2009 - 04:54 pm
| Simply putting things in perspective, im a PC gamer first and foremost as i have always claimed, however i do also have a 'soft spot' for Nintendo and liked where they were going with introducing motion control to the masses. Just because i dont play it only means im more interested in the games for my PC, after all i upgraded recently so its nice to see games in Full HD with all the trimmings, something no console can provide me with, so yeah i still love my graphics but i sure as hell cant get that from a console. But for gaming with non gaming friends the Wii still has its uses, something a PC is not as well suited for.
Played a heap of games, Mirrors edge, Crysis Warhead, Prototype Call of Juarez just to name a few so its fortunate for me that the PC has kept me going and there are more games on the way, other wise the pain of the weak Wii library this year would be more noticable.
I dont try to cover up whats happening i realise the severe short comings of the Wii, but my opinions i have made are my prediction for the upcoming Wii and the state of the console market in the next few years based on market trends for today.
Anyway if you like to define the winner by the amount of 3rd party support go for it, however the standard has and always been the one who sells the most hardware and that is Nintendo this Gen, and with both Sony and Microsoft talking 10 year consoles and billion dollar loses looks like the next Wii will have the next gen all to itself, we will see how the next 2 years pans out but from what i can see thats how i predict things to happen
Doesnt matter who wins and loses (to a degree) if your enjoying your ps3 or 360 it doesnt matter does it? Flag this | Edit this post |
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