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Posted by Alan Dang on Wednesday November 01, 2006 - 06:00 AM

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» NVIDIA PureVideo HD with HD-DVD Quick Shot

Alan’s first-hand impressions on NVIDIA PureVideo HD with HD-DVD -- comparisons to CoreAVC included.

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Click to view ripfire's User Page ripfire (430)  Click to view ripfire's User Profile Talk to ripfire in the Shout! Box Nov 01, 2006 - 12:31 pm
I don't get it. Why would H.264 be more processor intensive than VC-1? Is there a difference in quality between the two? If there isn't or the difference is minute, then I'd pick VC-1 any day.

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Click to view zink-10's User Page zink-10 (3)  Talk to zink-10 in the Shout! Box Nov 01, 2006 - 02:51 pm | Edited on Nov 01, 2006 - 02:52 pm
It is a complicated topic but from what I know I will try to explain;

In terms of features VC-1 is somewhere between MPEG-4 ASP (XViD/DivX etc) and MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) but the H.264 specification is pretty wide ranging from mobile devices like PDA's to studio broadcasts.

As so much is packed into the H.264 spec for retaining detail at lower bit-rates than other codecs it becomes more computationally expensive to decode.

At very high bit-rates the difference is less pronounced even compared to good old MPEG-2 which is why you don't really notice that much of a difference between VC-1 & H.264.

On the other hand you may find in the future when the studio production tools for H.264 have matured more movies will be using this to pack in more footage to a single disc & the difference vs VC-1 may be more visible .

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Click to view ripfire's User Page ripfire (430)  Talk to ripfire in the Shout! Box Nov 01, 2006 - 03:39 pm
I'm quite familiar with the codec themselves. I'm just questioning the difference in quality between the two regardless of bitrate as long as it fits the disc. But since we're talking about HD, I highly doubt the bitrate will be anything lower than 8Mbps.

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Click to view dranzerk's User Page dranzerk (23)  Talk to dranzerk in the Shout! Box Nov 01, 2006 - 12:20 pm
» Mmm i don't notice a diffrence
The video quality looks the same to me in screenshots. Same as when i looked at bustbuy.

Its nothing like coming from VHS to DVD imo. A video encoded from a DVD rip with autoGK looks about the same to me, but in 700megs file size.

By the sound of it, looks like its just another way for industry to make a buck on uneducated people..

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Click to view ripfire's User Page ripfire (430)  Click to view ripfire's User Profile Talk to ripfire in the Shout! Box Nov 01, 2006 - 12:37 pm
Actually, the quality stands out more on a 1080p 50" screen (or greater). Heck, even with WXGA resolution on my cousin's plasma the difference is obvious as long as it's on a big screen.

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Click to view zink-10's User Page zink-10 (3)  Talk to zink-10 in the Shout! Box Nov 01, 2006 - 12:03 pm | Edited on Nov 01, 2006 - 12:06 pm
Thanks for the reply I was thinking the same thing myself in regards HD-DVD with 720p & the CPU being good enough I hope it is.

If only CoreAVC 1.2 were able to playback HD-DVD content I have a feeling no GPU would be required for it in regards 1080p (that is speculation on my part though).

QuickTime isn't all that great a test though as Apple only implement part of the H.264 specification compared to others who use much more of the spec like x264 & NeroDigital, plus Apple's own decoder is pretty crap.

You should try taking some of your own MPEG-2 1080p material and encode with MeGUI/x264 high profile and see how the Cyberlink player and CoreAVC fair. If you have a look around the Doom9 forums I think there are some links to more H.264 content I've seen them come up from time to time.

Anyway thanks for the tests interesting results from Cyberlink might have to get myself an NVIDIA card.

Edit: Sorry messed up the reply should have been to your post Alan.

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Click to view zink-10's User Page zink-10 (3)  Talk to zink-10 in the Shout! Box Nov 01, 2006 - 10:51 am
» 720p results
I noticed in the article it was 1080p only would you include 720p results as well to see if the need for GPU assisted decoding is required or will CPU alone be enough ?

Also your CoreAVC results are different to the ones found at the link below. Cyberlink does better with NVIDIA perhaps ?
http://light.pcinpact.com/a-223-4-AVIVO-Haute-Definition.htm

CoreAVC trounces the Cyberlink H.264 GPU assisted player in my own experience but the CoreAVC team have no AACS support and GPU support seems to have been delayed.

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Click to view GX-Alan's User Page GX-Alan (78)  Talk to GX-Alan in the Shout! Box Nov 01, 2006 - 11:33 am
I'll look for some 720p sources besides Quicktime trailers; 1080p is what HD-DVD, Blu-Ray, and European H.264 broadcast HDTV is using. I suspect that a fast CPU will be enough.

A few things
1) We haven't tested ATI with Cyberlink yet, but historically, NVIDIA has performed better than ATI.

2) Our Cyberlink is a pre-release version which may have a more efficient engine.

3) Without AACS support, it's pretty much a moot point. I've been able to play every Quicktime 1080p trailer with Quicktime Player in software. The real-world HD-DVD tests are definitely tougher.

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