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Labotomizer (989)    Oct 04, 2008 - 12:58 pm

Depends on what you have now I suppose. If you're starting to have issues with games you want to play at settings you want to play at then I'd upgrade. If you're not and you are thinking of upgrading just for the sake of it, I'd wait until the DX11 cards. I think you'll see devs move relatively quickly to DX11. » Login to reply to this  exe3 (477)   Oct 05, 2008 - 01:53 am I have an 8600GS you tell me ;) but seriously the problem is the money, I don't know when i'll be able to upgrade, i'm hoping by early next year but from the sounds of it i'll be better off getting the GTX 260, I want good looking games now(ish) not in a year's time and what makes you think devs will support DX11 so quickly? » Login to reply to this  Labotomizer (989)    Oct 08, 2008 - 02:36 pm When a version of DX is skipped it's more likely the next version will take off that much quicker. DX10, for all purposes, will never see "DX10 or higher" games. We'll see games that are DX9 with DX10 render support. By the time hardware is out for DX11 we should have Windows 7 shipping. By then Windows 7/Vista will have a good chunk of the market and it will make sense for devs to move forward. Considering both OS'es will support it, it would only make sense to see people move to it. And when I say relatively quickly, we'll see DX11 only games shipping sometime in mid to late 2010, or about 1 year after DX11 is released. (I could be WAY off base but that's my guess from history) MS should just port DX to Linux and Mac and put the nail in OpenGL's coffin. » Login to reply to this  Yoshi (2227)    Oct 05, 2008 - 11:56 pm The move to DX11 will happen pretty quickly since as time moves forward it will become better for developers to seek Vista gamers as the hardware is going to be far more mature than what XP supports. Basicly someone running XP could have a 300mhz system with 128mb of ram and be at the recomended specs for XP. For Vista the computer has to be 1Ghz with 1GB of ram. Sure while you might think that people wouldn't try to run a game on a 300mhz system I bet it happens more than you would think and all of those support calls cost a company money. While most games would run fine on 1Ghz and 1GB of memory with a chance of needing a new video card. » Login to reply to this

sbuckler (27)   Oct 03, 2008 - 02:42 am

I hear both nvidia and ati will release their next gen cards @ 40nm sometime middle-late next year. I expect both will be DX11. Between then and now there's going to be a 55nm version of the 260/280. I would have thought it'll be out in the next few months. It's obviously going to be a little quicker then the current cards. » Login to reply to this

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mr.wielder (1394)    Oct 02, 2008 - 04:33 pm

See first comment and response? » Login to reply to this  Soldier36 (639)   Oct 02, 2008 - 06:54 pm see my ballsack wielder » Login to reply to this  Anonymous (-) Oct 02, 2008 - 06:58 pm this guy can't take criticism. Either that or you don't have the patience or enough attention span to read the previous comments. » Login to reply to this

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Yoshi (2227)    Oct 02, 2008 - 12:36 pm

DX10 is really an improvement. Problem with it is backwards support. To do backwards support it hurts DX10 preformance since it is emulating features of DX9. » Login to reply to this  larsig (780)   Oct 02, 2008 - 12:40 pm | Edited on Oct 02, 2008 - 12:40 pm And most people don't realize that most DX10 games now are really DX9 engines modified to use DX10, which takes little to no advantage of the features of DX10 that make it perform better than DX9. DX10 also needs developers to give the OS better control over some resources for better performance, a concept that is completely new with DX10. » Login to reply to this

larsig (780)   Oct 02, 2008 - 12:35 pm | Edited on Oct 02, 2008 - 12:36 pm

and yet someone else ignorant to software making unfounded claims about dx10. Anyway: dx11 introduces a lot of back-end things. Probably the most notable are improved multi-threading support for the rendering process, shader 5.0, and additional compression models for textures. Also some additions to the rendering pipeline, which is perhaps the only thing people like you will recognize as an improvement, and probably lack the knowledge to notice. At least developers will recognize that dx11 provides some pretty damn useful tools, like a way to write general code to run on GPUs. Edit: Should mention that I mean easily writing code for the GPU that is not vendor-specific. » Login to reply to this  SuperG (22)   Oct 07, 2008 - 04:49 am The thing I like most on DX11 are the Compute shaders. Going the route of larrabee. But non x86. DX11 is also more GpGPU friendly. And HSML is extended to support GPGPU use better. The DX11 HSML is in core like CUDA. But without a extensive libary. It's sucses depends on middleware using it. The problem is. The great GPGPU use for games are the Physics libaries. And the big market ruling onces are owned by hardware vendors. That's bad for market adoption. iNTel promoting Physics true only CPU, later Larrabee. CPU Wich are up to now weaker at it then PPU amd GPU and CELL DX11 could be the way of delivering Low level API Physics layer to games. But without a full feature highlevel Phsyics SDK. It has les impact in the industry of making games. Wenn Havok was independent HavokFX would take it up. Now It's not. Gamedev's like Crytech making a inhouse solution could use it. But not much studio's going that way. Don't expect the nV PhysX SDK dropping Cuda for HSML(DX11) » Login to reply to this  Labotomizer (989)   Oct 02, 2008 - 02:52 pm Much stricter hardware requirements for the vendors, although you knew that since you said easier to support hardware from different vendors. MS isn't letting the hardware vendors have any wiggle room with DX11. It's very clear what needs to be supported to be DX11 compliant. Big improvement. All the other stuff is big too. It will also add GPU acceleration to non-graphics items. Pretty much anything that uses floating point will be able to take advantage of DX11. So what nVidia is doing with CUDA only not proprietary. » Login to reply to this

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