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Anonymous at 06:21pm 06/2/2004
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I'd like to point out that average FPS results can show an increase
with no actual improvement in perceived performance improvement.
For instance, in Battlefield:Vietnam, I've benchmarked my own
processor (an AthlonXP) with FRAPS, lowering the multiplier and
maintaining the FSB speed. I saw little actual performance
difference when I ran less than HALF the CPU speed. In this case
the AVERAGE FPS was lower, but the MINIMUM FPS was the same as when
my CPU was more than double the speed.
The only place the CPU made any difference was at times where the
FPS was way high anyway.
I mean who really cares if you increase the average by making the
areas that are already like 100 FPS into 120 FPS but don't change
the areas that are very low? In my case, it's exactly the
opposite...I care about the areas that are 20-40 FPS. I could care
less about the areas that are already 100+ FPS.
Without histograms, or at least MIN FPS results, the data collected
in this article really doesn't tell you enough to know if a CPU
upgrade would really give any *usable* performance improvement.
Data and statistics can be dangerous and misleading unless presented
in the appropriate manner. I know the intention here is to inform
users preparing to upgrade, but I fear the results may be somewhat
misleading.
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GX-Brandon at 03:58pm 06/1/2004
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Yeah, like I said I will look into it when I get back from Taiwan.
Well, actually, probably when I get back from Montreal, as I have a
trip up north shortly after Taipei. I did the AA numbers by hand in
one article, and with a script in another, don't worry I'll look
into it.
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GX-WarSpite at 09:37am 06/1/2004
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It might take him a while to respond though, he's in Taiwan for
Computex right now.
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deimos47 at 08:17am 06/1/2004
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GX-WarSpite - thanks for looking into it.
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deimos47 at 08:16am 06/1/2004
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Nothing wrong with buying one of these new next gen cards. It's not
like they perform poorly, are incompatible or suffer from bad image
quality. They are great, and will always perform at least as fast as
previous high-end. And, surely when very GPU demanding games come
out in the future (D3 and HL2 dont count), these new cards will
surely show off their strengths... but as I mentioned earlier, for
most consumers AA and AF aren't valued that highly and so, the price
of going from 1024x768 in Far Cry (9800pro) to 1024x768 with 4xAA
and 8xAF(X800PRO), is just too much. I'm sure consumers will
eventually jump on the X800 bandwagon, but with todays games, it
just seems too early, and too much money.
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Trogdor at 06:38pm 05/31/2004
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Funny thing about this comparison is that we're doing 9800XT vs.
X800 Pro. Given the current results, we're not going to see much
change in performance on *games* between the X800 Pro and the X800
XT. It would pretty much require max image quality at 1600x1200
with 4XAA and 16XAF to make the X800 XT cards noticeably faster.
Of course, if we only look at scores in 3DMark03 and Tomb Raider:
AoD, the X800 cards look great, don't they? Too bad those are both
such lousy "games".
Then again, Who's looking to spend $400+ on a graphics card? Not
me.... :)
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GX-WarSpite at 06:18pm 05/31/2004
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I see what you're saying.
I'll show that to Brandon, thanks.
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Anonymous at 03:18pm 05/31/2004
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Id say go for it. Its not like the 9800xt are priced some much
lower.
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deimos47 at 03:09pm 05/31/2004
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TRAOD from 800x600 to 1600x1200 on X800Pro:
article - CPU/AA setup
P4 Scaling - P4 3.2
172.4
119.1
80.1
53.5
P4 Scaling - P4 3.2 with 4xAA
169.9
114.5
76.8
51.5
XP Scaling - 3400+
179.7
119.6
80.2
53.4
XP Scaling - 3400+ with 4xAA
111.5
78.5
56
37.5
6800 GT/Extreme - 3400+
179.7
119.6
80.2
53.4
6800 GT/Extreme - 3400+ with 4xAA
174.9
114.7
76.8
51.5
Notice: both 3400+ from XP Scaling and 6800 GT/Extreme scores are
the same... but in the XP they fall as they should. I checked back
and every single video card you and anandtech benchmarked with AA,
has fallen at least 30% with 4xAA. Hence, I beleive that "XP
Scaling - 3400+ with 4xAA" are the correct scores.
PS - thank you for correcting the duplicate results you previously
had for Tomb Raider vs Tomb Raider 4xAA for the P4 Scaling
article... but looks like the same problem. Did you change AA
differently in your scripts for the XP Scaling vs P4 Scaling??
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THX5334 at 01:16pm 05/31/2004
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I agree but nothing ever seems fast enough.
I have a P4 2.4C OC'd to 3.06 with 512mb OCZ Gold at 1:1 (I can up
the CPU power if I change the ratio), 9700Pro, Abit IC7 mobo,
19" Viewsonic P95F+B, WD 120gb HD; and I STILL can't play
FarCry at 1600x1200 with no AA at 30fps.
I don't think I have a wimpy system, but I can barely squeeze 30fps
for UT2004 and FarCry at 1200x1084!
I don't have any background programs running when I game, etc. It
just seems like no matter how much you upgrage (and I don't upgrade
every gen by any means) you can never get a blissfull 60fps at
1600x1200.
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